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Mortgage Broker News | 29 Jan 2015, 11:17 AM Agree 0
In the wake of falling rates, private lenders may have a tougher time selling clients on higher rates; but not if expectations are properly managed.
  • James Robinson | 29 Jan 2015, 12:02 PM Agree 0
    In 1989, fully qualified 1st mortgages were in the 10.75% to 11.50% range, non qualified 1st mortgages were roughly 1/2% to 1% higher through companies like Municipal Savings and Loan, and private 2nd mortgages were between 15% and 16%. So in those times, there was a 35% rate premium between a fully qualified 1st and a private 2nd. Today, the private 2nd rates are about 4 times the fully qualified 1st mortgage rates. I don't begrudge the privates for these rates as that is free enterprise, but they have to expect a little push back from consumers. I guess we can draw the same analogy with the credit card business.
  • David | 30 Jan 2015, 07:01 AM Agree 0
    If you are selling a private mortgage based on the rate and not based on the solution it offers to the client, then you may need a sales refresher. Private lenders offer solutions that are not available at "prime" rates. Understanding that the rate gap between prime and private is high, but the private investor is taking high risk, clients sometimes don't pay, and the rate should act as an incentive for the client to address and fix any issues that prevent them from getting those prime rates.
  • James Robinson | 30 Jan 2015, 08:28 AM Agree 0
    David, you completely missed the point I was making. I am not passing judgement on the risk reward for the private investor nor their right to run their business as they see fit based on the risk. I was illustrating the change that has occurred over the last 25 years. The same widening gap has occurred in credit cards and for that matter, wages of the rich and poor. For you to suggest that the high rate is an incentive for clients to fix their ways is naive as we know that over 75% of "B" clients remain "B" clients for life
  • Michael D. | 30 Jan 2015, 11:33 AM Agree 0
    My office often sees many subprime clients and we offer excellent solutions through various programs. For most people who are in need of a private lender sometimes it is not about the cost of the money but more the accessibility to it. Often, we finance homes to 90-95% LTV in the GTA with our own funds or through alternative means to which clients can exit out of a difficult situation. Coming from having experience in sales, sometimes, rate is not as important as the affordability of the payment (provided the rate is not considered Criminal as under the Criminal Code). Nonetheless, our office continues get busier and busier with the subprime as the purse strings in Ottawa tighten and the guidelines for lending aren't what they used to be. I don't foresee any changes in my marketing or sales tactics. I have to concur with David Vyner on this one.
  • James Robinson | 30 Jan 2015, 12:09 PM Agree 0
    95% LTV on a subprime deal ? The interest rate is irrelevant if you lose your principal. Of course, real estate only ever appreciates so your risk decreases over time....until it doesn't
  • Michael D. | 30 Jan 2015, 12:16 PM Agree 0
    James, my company is designed to profitable as well. Loss is not a word in vocabulary. If you want to learn out our products please send my office an email to
  • Michael Graves | 30 Jan 2015, 01:27 PM Agree 0
    There is smart money that comes at a cost for good reason. Longevity of the business model is as important as ensuring you are increasing the likelihood the client will be better off, while matching the expectations of investors for return on their capital. Not an easy, or cheap game to play - but an increasingly necessary one.

    Capital without intelligence has no longevity.
  • Michael D. | 30 Jan 2015, 01:51 PM Agree 0
    Agreed Michael.
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