First Nat. returns to 80 bps finder’s fee

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First National’s 2013 compensation program finally spells out its decision to permanently reverse that 5-basis-point chop to finder’s fees introduced last year and alienating some brokers.

“When I got the 2013 reminder rate sheet from First National, I noticed that it included 80 bps on a 5-year fixed mortgage,” says Alex Pang, with Verico Clear Trust Mortgages. “When I contacted them (First National), they confirmed it was a permanent change.”

The 5 bps cut in August,  dropping the finder’s fee to 75 bps for a 5-year fixed, was coldly received by many brokers, some of who showed their displeasure by taking their business elsewhere.

“No one is going to be happy when they have a cut in commission,” says Ben Kawa, director of sales and strategic relationships with First National. “But at the time back in August, the cost of doing business for lenders was going up and we decided to cut costs, so we made the decision to cut fees by 5 bps.

Times have now changed.

“We circled the wagons for a few months, and have looked at what we were paying, what the competition was paying (in fees), and decided to tweak the system,” said Kawa. “That is reflected in the new 2013 rates.”

As for brokers taking umbrage at the cut in fees from back in August, Pang sees the rate reversal from First National as evidence of a boycott.

“In my view, they (First National) have seen that brokers boycotted them, and now they needed to win our business back,” observes Pang. “Our time as brokers is important, and if we are to take a pay cut, I will take my business elsewhere.  I know I did with First National.”

The reversal of the 5 bps cut is completely separate from the limited-time special 10-bps increase it brought to the market last month for all high ratio deals. That expires on February 15.

First National’s decision to offer an extra 10 bps on high ratio mortgages largely seen as a response to MCAP and Street Capital raising broker fees to win over ING Direct clients combined with CMHC demand for those types of loans.

 

  • Robert Stanfield, Invis Agent on 2013-02-06 1:13:59 AM

    Considering how long F/N has supported the broker network, it seems a little ridiculous to boycott them over 5 bps, especially with numerous lenders leaving the broker network. Hopefully F/N doesn't accept deals from the brokers/agents that did boycott them now that they have brought the 5 bps back.

  • David Larock on 2013-02-06 4:36:20 AM

    First National is a first-rate organization and I sent them just as much business after their decision to cut commissions as before.

    I think some brokers need to think long and hard about who they want to partner with over the long term and not let every decision boil down to nickles and dimes.

    Do your job well and the money will take of itself.

  • Geoff Willis on 2013-02-06 4:45:13 AM

    I hope our relationships with lenders that we work with year in and year out are not solely determined on who happens to pay us the most at the time. We need to move past this kind of short sighted thinking if we are going to have any credibility with our lenders. First National is one of our key lenders because of how they interact with us everyday of the year.

  • Layth Matthews, CEO RateMiser Mortgage Advisors on 2013-02-06 4:50:15 AM

    If First National had a good trailer fee model, they would be perfect.

  • Rhéau Séguin Mortgage intelligence on 2013-02-06 8:46:39 AM

    yes all attitude could be acceptable,but in good relationship,you dont bite the hands that feed's you.lenders as to remimber that, our commissions is our bread and butter.we also have families, and obligations.

  • Mortgage Hunter on 2013-02-06 11:42:25 PM

    I will not give my real name as I know some of the peoplke posting these comments...all I have to say to a couple of you is "Really?"...taking shots at fellow brokers and hoping they fail to have their deals picked up by FN when submitted...WOW! Real Classy!

    First National showed they really did not care about Mortgage Brokers when they slashed their fees by 5 bps...the ONLY reason they have increased it back to 80BPS is because they are hoping the brokers they stiffed last year will start bring their ING deals to First National...once FN feels they have their share of referring brokers swithed to them they will cut the FF again...

  • cgs on 2013-02-07 6:03:54 AM

    to geoff wollis. Are you the same geoff willis that owned a mortgage centre in New Westminster.

  • sunil on 2014-08-14 3:45:09 PM

    One of the things to consider is if during the switch to other lenders during the period fee was cut, the clients got lesser deal than they would have with First National. If they did then it is a disservice to the clients as those deals were not in clients' best interest.

    I just happen to read this story today and felt like commenting. I am not connected to mortgage industry.

  • sunil on 2014-08-14 3:45:39 PM

    One of the things to consider is if during the switch to other lenders during the period fee was cut, the clients got lesser deal than they would have with First National. If they did then it is a disservice to the clients as those deals were not in clients' best interest.

    I just happen to read this story today and felt like commenting. I am not connected to mortgage industry.

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